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- Subject: Re: Need info on virus source code
- Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 23:31:15 GMT
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- TheAnalyst@Nfo.Org wrote:
-
- >>"Tricks of the trade"? Like what? The documentation to any virus
- >>scanner will probably get you started on your own "tricks of the
- >>trade".
- >Tricks of the trade like actual source of how to defeat a debugger or just
- >little asm tricks of like combining several instrucions in one. Basically it
- >teaches you the best ways to optimize your code.
-
- That's not virus coding, that's software protection. You can find
- information like that all over the place. Virus coders use it, yes,
- but it's not only vx, it's Wordperfect, it's Autodesk, it's
- uncountable big businesses who use it, it's the crippleware writers
- who use it. And combining several instructions into one, is just
- plain old common sense.
-
- >And with all due respect, how many av products come with detailed instrucions on
- >how to optimize your code to a minimum of size and how EXACTLY to defeat a
- >debugger (not necessarily debug). yes, you could ask in some programming group,
- >but then you don't get all the extra tricks.
-
- Antivirus programs don't come with instructions on how to optimize,
- but if you try ThunderByte, it will tell you how to avoid detection,
- as well as debuggers. I'd like to know what sort of tricks you are
- talking about. Do you program in assembly?
-
- >>Ooooooh, the "underground". Yeah man, you won't get any k-rad s1t3s
- >>fr0m m3 d00d.
- >>http://www.xcitement.com/virus
- >>Try it.
- >>If you need more, there are links.
-
- >You are obviously a very sarcastic person. People who talk like "k-rad s1t3s
- >fr0m m3 d00d" are usually immature morons with very few brain cells left. If
- >you really think that is what the underground is like then you should try
- >looking into it.
-
- Can you *please* enlighten me as to what the *real* underground is
- like? I'd seriously like to know how you have the power to decide
- what the underground is, for everyone on the planet? Yes, I was being
- sarcastic.
-
- >The point is to get people who talk like "k-rad s1t3s fr0m m3 d00d" to actually
- >think instead of just giving them information. If this person is not
- >intelligent enough to use a search engine then they don't have enough knowledge
- >to work with a virus (broad generalization). Why do you insist on contributing
- >to a person's ignorance? You obviously have never been in the underground,
- >unless you consider those AOL idiots that go around 7y91Ng L1k3 T815 to be the
- >underground.
-
- I simply don't want to discriminate on the basis of whether or not
- someone can come up with the correct, or plausible keywords to use in
- a search. My uncle, a very intelligent man, attempted to find web
- sites on gourmet cooking, a hobby of his, but couldn't do it with any
- success, because he didn't know what he ought to put down.
-
- >If you will notice I told him to follow my sig and search for appropriate key
- >words. In other words, use my sig so you can actually find what you want
- >instead of again relying on someone else for help. He may want to find
- >something else in the future. It has to do with "If you give a man a fish he
- >eats for a day, if you teach a man to fish he eats for a lifetime", not to
- >mention he won't bug us with these requests anymore.
-
- Before there were search engines, and before the internet was widely
- available, there was something called "helpfullness" which allowed
- people access to BBSs across the world. Now that we have a computer
- to do it, why should we stop being helpful?
-
- >You seem to be a person with a lot of stereotypes. I have been following your
- >postings for some time now. Are you a "debunker"?
-
-
- - Executioner/[Independent]
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